Friday, September 26, 2008

Aren't Skeptics Guilty of Special Pleading?

I promised this post to Mr. Stein (who goes by Jewish Phulosopher) a while ago, but I've been rather busy. I apologize for the delay.

I want to point out that those who are interested in these types of blogs should applaud Mr. Stein. That's right, applaud. Why? He provides the blogosphere with insight to counter what he believes to be a true threat. It is important to have people who are willing to stand up to skeptics, try to argue against their positions, and make them back up their claims. Though many people take issue with his tactics, which I must myself admit seem to be a bit extreme, I only wish that there would be more people in the Orthodox Jewish community who attempt to respond to skeptics with as much passion as he has.

Mr. Stein recently commented on my blog that I am claiming that "you need not a accept a religion as true until it is proven beyond doubt. Can anything be proven beyond doubt?"

Let me try to explain what, I believe, Mr. Stein is trying to say here. Suppose you open up a veyr old history book, and start reading in it. You see some random fact about a major event that took place. You then read some other books which also referred to this event. Mr. Stein says, you would probably accept this fact. So why not in the case of the Torah? In fact, there is an even stronger case here, because of the Kuzari Principle. Is it because you do not believe in anything physical? But how can one prove that there is nothing physical, if it is not visible to the senses? And if there is evidence that it does exist, from historical sources, then one should believe in it! Thus, I believe Mr. Stein is saying that the skeptic is guilty of special pleading.

This is a very strong claim. If Mr. Stein is right, then all skeptics are denying statements that any reasonable, neutral observer would accept as fact. Thus, Mr. Stein claims, skeptics must be delusional. Since, he feels, the strongest desire which Judaism does not allow is the sexual urge, he places the blame on that.

Mr. Stein, however, is ignoring some very important caveats that require extra evidence in this situation. The issue is the level of evidence required for miracles. Since the classic work on this subject is David Hume's On Miracles, I will draw from there in formulating the skeptic's response to Mr. Stein.

The first thing Hume points out is that miracles are very unusual experiences. Thus, we must take into mind that there occurence is very rare. Hume then asks, which will occur more frequently: that a story of a miracle is made up, or the miracle actually occurred? The reasonable person will believe in that which statistically occurs more often, until further evidence sways the statistical likelihood.

Hume then goes into the evidence which is available for the existence of miracles. The most common evidence is, of course, human testimony. But, Hume points out, testimony is often contradicted by circumstantial evidence, other testimony, or the unreliable character of the witnesses, to name a few. Thus, with enough evidence to the contrary, such as that miracles rarely happen, if ever, should at least put their testimony in doubt.

Hume noticed the counterargument that Mr. Stein put forth, which I paraphrased: that the skeptic does not believe in anything not physical, despite no evidence to establish such a claim. He compares this to the Indian prince who had never seen ice, that when he was told that water becomes hard when it is cold (i.e. becomes ice), was absolutely certain that the person telling him was trying to pull his leg. Therefore, Hume proceeds to analyze the reliability of the evidence available for miracles.

Hume first points out that
The passion of surprize and wonder, arising from miracles, being an
agreeable emotion, gives a sensible tendency towards the belief of those events,
from which it is derived. And this goes so far, that even those who cannot enjoy
this pleasure immediately, nor can believe those miraculous events, of which
they are informed, yet love to partake of the satisfaction at second-hand or by
rebound, and place a pride and delight in exciting the admiration of others.

Thus the stories of miracles are likely to spread without thoroughly being checked for validity. Hume also offers other possible reasons to spread such stories: one may be deluded into thinking that such a thing was actually a miracle, someone may wish to spread his/her religion, or he may wish to deceive the general populace. I'm sure everyone can agree that there are many false claims of miracles. Even the Vatican is very cautious against declaring every claim of a miracle as such, and many false miracles have been exposed over the years. But the rest of purported miracles may simply be reports of charlatans who were not caught. Why, then do people believe it? Due to ignorance (which was more rampant than many people realize possible before literacy became common), or eloquence.

Hume also points out that many things in the ancient past, such as wars, disease, hunger, or storms were believed to be due to supernatural causes. Now, we know this not to be the case, as we can explain and predict these things perfectly well from natural causes. However, the belief in a supernatural realm has persisted nonetheless, which may further enhance the belief in miracles.

This is important. To the ancient past, supernatural intervention was thought part of everyday life, and was needed to explain things. Thus it may have solely been established as such, and over time, the beliefs developed so that divine beings were involved personally in people's lives. If the original basis for such a belief is faulty, then shouldn't all subsequent beliefs based on this, such as miracles, be held suspect?

Hume pushes on, noting how it is strange that there seem to be so much fewer miracles in the present time, when we have made so many advances in science and mathematics, than when people were ignorant and apt to believe in bizarre superstitions, such as Paganism.

Additionally, each religion claims miracles which establish its religion as true, while the other as false. Does this not diminish the certainty that their miracles actually occurred? After all, each makes equally strong claims that negate the claims of the others.

I'm sure that Mr. Stein would point out that here the case is different because of the Kuzari Principle. I would also like to point out that all religions go through processes in which beliefs become built on preexisting beliefs, which is readily seen in the written records of the Catholic Church. So too, the story of mass revelation at Sinai could just be such a process, in which the story got built up, as I have suggested in a previous post. In fact, the case would be even stronger, as records were not kept to same level that they were in the Catholic Church to document such a process, which the Catholics could have ostensibly used to notice that they were gradually creating a story which was not what the original Christians probably believed. In fact, we have virtually no archaeological written records on any topic from the Bayit Rishon period. We only have a few records that were inscribed in stone as monuments; while we have Christian records that were copied throuhgout the Middle Ages to the present. Thus the objection that there should be written records is not a good one.

Thus, the skeptic can well claim that there is not much more evidence in favor of Judaism than in favor of any other religion, which is not very good.

18 comments:

jewish philosopher said...

I am not claiming that miracles are just as likely as anything other event. By definition, they are not. I am claiming that the idea that the universe has an intelligent designer is very obvious - in the words of C. S. Lewis "Really, a young Atheist cannot guard his faith too carefully. Dangers lie in wait for him on every side". Having established that, the idea that the designer at some time in history revealed himself to man seems highly likely and the Torah seems to be most convincing example of revelation.

jewemp said...

Ouch.

You have not read Dialogues concerning Natural Religion (as I asked you to), which badly damages any such claim, especially based on the argument from design.

jewish philosopher said...

Have you actually read the Kuzari? Did Hume? So what?

As I explain on my blog, my point is simply this:

THE EXISTENCE OF A SINGLE NATURAL OBJECT EXHIBITING COMPLEX PURPOSEFULNESS IS PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS.

THE FACT THAT JUDAISM COULD NOT HAVE ORIGINATED VIA A FRAUD, DELUSION OR HALLUCINATION IS PROOF THAT GOD WROTE THE TORAH.

This is the equivalent of DNA evidence and eyewitness testimony. It is an open and shut case. Even OJ Simpson’s lawyers would have a hard time convincing any jury otherwise.

In addition to that, there is a mass of corroborating evidence supporting the divine authorship of the Torah, for example, the wisdom and originality of the Torah, the humility and honesty of the Torah and the unique historical structure of Jewish literature.

There questions which can be asked concerning the Torah’s validity, just as questions can be asked about anything, and there are plausible answers to those questions.

Naturally, people who have very powerful preconceived biases will nevertheless deny the divine authorship of the Torah, just as people with very powerful preconceived biases may deny almost anything.

jewemp said...

For your information, I have read the Kuzari. Unlike some other people, I actually read both sides of an argument.

The argument you present is an argument from lack of imagination. Hume had a very lively one, so he presented several alternatives, showing that each was no more imaginative than concluding in favor of God.

And your answers to Genesis are not plausible, as most readers of Bereishit would agree. Why do you think nobody else comes to the same conclusion as you? It's because the Torah mentions a clear progression for 6 days, culminating with saying that Hashem created the world in 6 days. Period. It says this in several places.

Of course, someone with preconceived notions will come up with anything, even if nobody else would ever say such a thing, just to justify his beliefs.

I would do some more research if I were you about the archaeology in the Biblical period. It is not as supportive of the hypothesis that the Torah is literally true as you suggest (although I will admit that it is not enough to cripple belief in Judaism in general).

In court cases, people still listen to what the other side has to say regarding the evidence. Please accord me the same respect.

Also, please refrain from caps in the future. It does not make your case more impressive.

Finally, look up on wikipedia "argumentum ad hitlerum," which wikipedia lists as a fallacy.

jewish philosopher said...

I don't agree that I cannot make an informed decision about Judaism without having read every book ever published by every atheist. I don't expect atheists to read every book ever written about Judaism.

I think I have the gist of the arguments commonly proposed by atheists and I'm not too impressed. The same goes for Christianity, Islam, etc.

I don't quite understand how the "argument from lack of imagination" works. Every argument is valid because we cannot imagine any other explanation for something. If the procescution has found my fingerprints at the crime scene and asks me to explain how that is possible if I was not there, I can respond "you don't have a very lively imagination, but I'm still innocent". Will you visit me in prison if I attempt to use such a brilliant defence?

The idea that the Torah is proven false because the Torah states that nothing existed before 5769 years ago and today we know that is false is a what is known as a straw man argument.

jewemp said...

You're right: you don't need to read every book written by every atheist (and most of them are crap, anyway). But you should read the basic ones, and not just get your information from wikipedia. As for myself, I've read a number of Jewish philosophical books, such as the Moreh Nevuchim, Milchamot Hashem, Sefer Haikkarim, and others.

The argument from lack of imagination is a fallacy that occurs when we have no similar precedents. Thus, with fingerprint ID, we have precedents that the culprit's fingerprints will be present at the crime scene. Given the prior association of the two, we can conclude that one whose fingerprints are present is probably guilty. With the world, though, we have no precedent since there is only one case that we know of where a world has been created, thus making it an argument from lack of imagination. I agree with you, though, that given a prior belief in God, it would be a rational explanation; nevertheless, it cannot rest as a basis for belief in God, unless it is so similar to other situations that the resemblance is undeniable, which is something that one can argue (I believe it is not). This was a fair question to ask, though, and I give you credit for that.

Regarding the last part of your comment: no argument here, you just have to make sure that your answer is not dachuk, which I find your explanation of Bereishit to be extremely so.

jewish philosopher said...

"But you should read the basic ones"

And how about the basic books about Islam, Satanism, Christianity, Sikhism, Scientology, etc? Time is limited.

"With the world, though, we have no precedent since there is only one case that we know of where a world has been created, thus making it an argument from lack of imagination."

We know that items demonstrating complexity and purposefulness are always created by an intelligent designer. My computer was created by the engineers at Compaq. But who created my brain? This is consistently what I see with atheists - an idea which would be so obvious anywhere else somehow is not obvious at all if we will be led to believe in God.

"I find your explanation of Bereishit to be extremely so."

I am reconciling science, the Bible and the midrashim, I think quite nicely.

jewemp said...

Atheism is a priority to read aboput over the other ones, since no one is born with belief in God - it has to be taught, based on the evidence available. If the evidence to establish theistic religion is insufficient, then that is what one has.

As for the design argument, why don't you read Dialogues and see why the analogy doesn't work? Besides, what harm can be done if atheists are so blatantly wrong?

jewemp said...

I also hope you realize that Satanism isn't a serious religion - it's just a bunch of people who are bent on ridiculing organized religion. Kinda childish, if you ask me. But don't take them too seriously.

jewish philosopher said...

First of all, it is probably untrue that people are naturally atheists and religion is merely cultural and artificial.

Secondly, nothing I've heard about Hume sounds especially interesting so I'm devoting my attention to other things.

jewemp said...

First of all, this is only one study (and these children already were taught a word for God, so this isn't from birth). Second, even if it were true that people were born with an idea of God (which I doubt, from people I know who grew up secular, and simply don't understand the concept of God), you are taking me too literally. I mean that without proof of Judaism, one is essentially left with the equivalent of atheism. And thirdly, even if little children do have an idea of the thing, it doesn't mean it is inherent to the human mind from birth. Little children are afraid of monsters under the bed, even if it is not something we teach the children as the truth.

Hume is significant in more philosophical circles regarding the philosophy of religion. Most atheists don't cite him because they often aren't very well read.

jewish philosopher said...

I guess you win either way. If religion is artificial and cultural you can belittle it as being "merely cultural". If it is instinctive and natural (which seems likely, since all societies are religious) then you can belittle it as "merely a childish fantasy". Whatever.

jewemp said...

Which is why one should not rely on popular opinion for the question of whether religion is true, but rather on the evidence available. Why won't you read Hume? There shouldn't be anything to be afraid of. If you suggested a book supporting Judaism, which was written by someone who offers new ideas into explaining why it is correct, I would read it. Why won't you do the same thing, especially when this is something that seems to really irk you?

jewemp said...

Oh, I forgot:

Gemar Chasimah Tovah.

jewish philosopher said...

I'm just busy. Do you know how stressed out I get being the lone Defender of the Faith?

And you too.

jewemp said...

When you get some time, you should read it. He's not right about everything, but the arguments are definitely worthwhile. And take it easy.

OTD said...

>those who are interested in these types of blogs should applaud Mr. Stein. That's right, applaud.

I'm sorry you feel a need to defend such a sorry excuse for a human being as Stein.

I'm certain many other frum people feel the same way as you, yet few would dare admit it.

If Judaism was Islam, Stein would be bin Laden, and you would be the millions of supporters egging him on.

Shame on you all.

jewemp said...

It's interesting that everyone sees only what they want to see.

I do not support what Mr. Stein writes, which you would see if you actually read my blog. I just feel that he has a right to do so, and that the blogosphere is benefited overall by having someone respond to many claims posted on it in favor of skepticism.